Speed of the sander??

[glassdoctor]

ok so it is ok to use a hair dryer on the headlights rather than a UV light to dry?

It's two different things. The only product you use a UV light on is the spray on UV cure coatings.

All the wipe on products I'm aware of, are air dry.... so you can use a hair dryer or fan on those. As far as I know, the UV light won't do anything help speed the dry time, except put out some heat.

[Cryatal_Image]

ok so it is ok to use a hair dryer on the headlights rather than a UV light to dry?

It's two different things. The only product you use a UV light on is the spray on UV cure coatings.

All the wipe on products I'm aware of, are air dry.... so you can use a hair dryer or fan on those. As far as I know, the UV light won't do anything help speed the dry time, except put out some heat.

i heard the wipe on kind or portectnt, you must mix first. is this correct? Is it more economical to get the wipe on vs. the spray? Suppose the bad thing about spray would be the windy days with overspray whch would be bad for paint, etc

[glassdoctor]

For wipe on coatings, there are both types. Some are 2 part mix, and some are single stage no mix.

The spray coatings do tend to cost more. Some are very expensive, up to $10-20 per car. And yes... they have unique issues with working outside in the elements. You also should mask off around the light to spray, to keep overspray off the car.

I'll also add.. with the uv cure products, you better get it right the first time, because (unlike the common wipe on coatings) it's difficult to remove it and re-spray if you don't like what you see. Spray coatings add a degree of difficulty, but it's worth it imo.

I'll be testing Delta's new Infinity coating soon. It seems to address the 2 big problems I have with the other wipe on products, Delta's C2p, Develup, Minwax, etc.... imo these coatings are not durable enough. They can look great and they make the job super easy, but I think the coating is too soft (easily scratched, etc) and doesn't last long enough. I had started using it after seeing some results others were having.... nearly 2 years and starting to break down, still looking pretty good. But since then, I've seen and heard of plenty of examples that are not nearly that good. I decided that I wouldn't use them on my car, and wanted something better, both for my car and for my customers. I want to be confident in offering at least a 1 year guarantee. I decided that if I can't... then why even bother doing it? I would still have dealers wanting me to dress up their stuff, but I don't want to do any retail work, or my car, or my friend's car, or worse... how about a sales manager's car? Do I really want to tell him he needs to apply a plastic protectant/wax every few weeks and try to park in the shade from now on? um, no.... Ok, off my soap box now!

[Cryatal_Image]

For wipe on coatings, there are both types. Some are 2 part mix, and some are single stage no mix.

The spray coatings do tend to cost more. Some are very expensive, up to $10-20 per car. And yes... they have unique issues with working outside in the elements. You also should mask off around the light to spray, to keep overspray off the car.

I'll also add.. with the uv cure products, you better get it right the first time, because (unlike the common wipe on coatings) it's difficult to remove it and re-spray if you don't like what you see. Spray coatings add a degree of difficulty, but it's worth it imo.

I'll be testing Delta's new Infinity coating soon. It seems to address the 2 big problems I have with the other wipe on products, Delta's C2p, Develup, Minwax, etc.... imo these coatings are not durable enough. They can look great and they make the job super easy, but I think the coating is too soft (easily scratched, etc) and doesn't last long enough. I had started using it after seeing some results others were having.... nearly 2 years and starting to break down, still looking pretty good. But since then, I've seen and heard of plenty of examples that are not nearly that good. I decided that I wouldn't use them on my car, and wanted something better, both for my car and for my customers. I want to be confident in offering at least a 1 year guarantee. I decided that if I can't... then why even bother doing it? I would still have dealers wanting me to dress up their stuff, but I don't want to do any retail work, or my car, or my friend's car, or worse... how about a sales manager's car? Do I really want to tell him he needs to apply a plastic protectant/wax every few weeks and try to park in the shade from now on? um, no.... Ok, off my soap box now!

I thought about using suran wrap around the area on the car to cover paint, cut the area for the light out, then tape it. The type of UV spray i would use comes in an 8oz spray bottle vs a spray can which is quite expensive. We are mobile only with no shop unless a fleet would supply the inside area

[glassdoctor]

Spray bottle? You mean to use like with an hvlp spray gun, or just a bottle with a pump/squirt type sprayer?

[candyman]

I have seen too many people using the spray, overlap the masking. Its a lot of work and even worst on a windy day. The new Infiniti 4.1 from deltakits is a two part mix. Its a milky looking liquid when mixed. This new product adheres to the lens better and provides a harder surface. Neither the C2P or Infiniti 4.1 requires a UV lamp. A small hair dryer will work fine. I normally dont use anything to dry the headlight . Once I apply the UV coating I am done. I remove all the masking tape and clean the vehicle prior to applying the coating. I dont wait to see if it dries. I tell the customer not to touch the lens for several hours and not to wash it for 48 hours. If they drive the car within the first 2 hours, I tell them to turn their headlights on. Some of you are using a compound on the lens and that may not be a good thing using the Infiniti 4.1 or C2P. I had problems here with the C2P not lasting longer than 6 to 15 months on some vehicles in 2010. It was determinded that the wax polish may be the problem. WE now use the 3000 polishing pad after we sand. I 've been part of a testing program and we now have a new sequence of sanding, and added a few new sanding disc. So far I have got the same result on a variety of vehicles that had very bad headlights. I've used the Infiniti on 15 Vehicles and knock on wood, the lens look great after polishing with the 3000 pad from Deltakits. The customers and I are very pleased with this new product. Contact Bruce or Korey if you have any questions about Deltakits HLR products. The product is easy to use and I normally spend between 45 and 55 minutes per vehicle. Part of that time is talking to the customer. While sanding, the majority of my clients think I have screwed their vehicle headlights up. After I polish with the 3000 pad, they are pleased. I then apply the UV coating and they are amazed and cant stop talking about the experience. I am keeping a record of all my test vehicles and will track the length of time they last. Stay Tuned. Have a good week.

[candyman]

I forgot to mention: sanding speed for the Metabo or Groit is 5 for sanding and 6 for polishing. While sanding around tight areas or tips on the lens you may need to slow it down to 3.5. The higher speeds can itch burn spots if you are not carefull.

[pommy]

Thanks for the posts guys

[longjestin]

I first used the Infinity on my own vehicle in August 2011 before we had the product on the shelf. My vehicle looks amazing still, no scratches or discoloration. And with the new sanding process of 320, 500, 800, 1200, 1500, then polish with the 3000 (all dry sanding) i cant tell the difference from the C2P and the Infinity. I have also tested numerous other products on the market to include spray on UV coating and nothing compares. Some turn out good but nothing like the Infinity. I do get a little upset when i hear that some technicians cannot get the result that Delta Kits promises. With just the materials that are in the HLR kit i have amazing restorations. And i have tried 100's of different combinations of materials, processes, and polishing compounds. If the directions are followed correctly Delta Kits system's are unmatched

[pommy]

It shouldnt make you upset.

The forum is here for this reason.

This thread isn't about results, it's about the speed of the sander anyway?