PPG guy: can we call you that?
I am told by a local glass shop that PPG and other OEM suppliers don't always make all of their own glass, but will essentially buy glass from other sources and have their "stamp" on it when demand is too much. They are implying that just because it say XXX brand, does not guarantee it's all the same quality or grade of glass. Any truth to this?
Second question... I know Safelite glass is bad (yeah, sue me Safelite like it's not true), but what other labels should we never let touch our vehicle?
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PPG glass manufacturing?
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Anonymous
PPG glass manufacturing?
PPG manuf. 100% of their own glass..............In most cases its other brands of glass putting their bug on product we made
When it comes to auto glass their is one thing to always remember..................you get what you pay for................If you want a cheap product you get a cheap product.
I will always push PPG product even after I leave the company!
Why you ask?
The last glass that I know of that is 100% american made.....no offshore manuf. plant......they make a huge effort to keep the dollars where they belong.......In America
When it comes to auto glass their is one thing to always remember..................you get what you pay for................If you want a cheap product you get a cheap product.
I will always push PPG product even after I leave the company!
Why you ask?
The last glass that I know of that is 100% american made.....no offshore manuf. plant......they make a huge effort to keep the dollars where they belong.......In America
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Anonymous
Re: PPG glass manufacturing?
Auto Glass Repair,
I don't replace windshields, but when it is necessary I will push PPG also due to that fact now. We really should do this with as many products we can. Let's support our country and keep fellow Americans in jobs.
Pray for our troops, father time is no longer on the Iraqi's side.
Pay it foward,
Brian
www.safeglasstechnologies.com
[email]"info@safeglasstechnologies.com"[/email][/email]
I don't replace windshields, but when it is necessary I will push PPG also due to that fact now. We really should do this with as many products we can. Let's support our country and keep fellow Americans in jobs.
Pray for our troops, father time is no longer on the Iraqi's side.
Pay it foward,
Brian
www.safeglasstechnologies.com
[email]"info@safeglasstechnologies.com"[/email][/email]
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Anonymous
Re: PPG glass manufacturing?
umm let me see, safelite SUCKS badly on installs and even worse on trying to repair. FYG, Fuyao, and oh yea the worse has got to be Northstar. You think these are hard to fit, wait till you get a call to repair one:"> a nightmare.
we use PPG they have always had a high standard of quality. Not the cheapest supplier to deal with by far..but you get what you pay for. I also like Guardian and Carlite. You can actually place one of these windshields in a rack next to an el cheapo, and visually see the difference in tint, and the way the glass is curved or made.
What alot of people don't know is that the American tempering process on plate glass (Which is what windshields are made from) is slower therefore the glass is softer, most foreign countries temper faster to produce quanitity, which also makes the glass harder and therefore will sandpit easier. Softer glass reflects more debri than a harder glass. thats why a generic glass will look like @#%$ in two months after it has been installed, and also why the repairs don't turn out as well.
Chris....
we use PPG they have always had a high standard of quality. Not the cheapest supplier to deal with by far..but you get what you pay for. I also like Guardian and Carlite. You can actually place one of these windshields in a rack next to an el cheapo, and visually see the difference in tint, and the way the glass is curved or made.
What alot of people don't know is that the American tempering process on plate glass (Which is what windshields are made from) is slower therefore the glass is softer, most foreign countries temper faster to produce quanitity, which also makes the glass harder and therefore will sandpit easier. Softer glass reflects more debri than a harder glass. thats why a generic glass will look like @#%$ in two months after it has been installed, and also why the repairs don't turn out as well.
Chris....
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Anonymous
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Windshields are not tempered glass. They are two pieces of raw glass laminated together.The laminate is what holds the glasses. PPG is a business like any other business and therefore wants to lower costs. PPG outsourses a lot of there glass. Just because it says PPG on it dosen't mean it was made in the USA in a PPG plant. We have installed a lot of PPG glass made in Italy, Canada and Mexico. It is good glass but we have had problems with the fit of PPG and other major glass makers, nobody is perfect. The Chinese are getting better and sometimes is the only glass available. I tried to get an "American" w/s for a 69 El Camino my options were FYG or Mexican PPG. Times, they are a changing.
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Anonymous
glass brands
I've heard that FYG glass was originally produced by PPG in China. But the Chinese government took over the plant and kicked out PPG. FYG used to be a good product.
Don't know now, we get our glass through Pilkington LOF.
Never have had any problems with LOF glass.
Don't know now, we get our glass through Pilkington LOF.
Never have had any problems with LOF glass.
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Anonymous
ppg glass
We have had trouble with some of the Pilkington DW 1341's made in Brazil. Every one Of the manufactures will have a problems now and then. Pilkington also outsourses some of its glass as does PPG especially tempered. Spec-temp and Auto Temp Industries are two of the suppliers in the US. What you need to do to find out where it is made is to check the DOT # of the glass. Glasslinks.com used to have a list of DOT #'s with the manufactures locations. I haven't tried to pull it up lately but it was there.
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Anonymous
PPG
Posted by Jewel: Windshields are not tempered glass. They are two pieces of raw glass laminated together.
Please tell me, with all you wisdom, How are windshields made? I have visited many production plants where glass was made from sand into sheets of plate and then curved by a Guess what, heating process that does what tempers the glass. All sheets of glass from plate to mirror to flat laminated to windshields all have a certin amount of "tempering". Don't believe me? try to cut a piece of plate glass that has been tempered too long, I'ts like cutting what glass installers know as a backlite or door lite.It is the amount of tempering that makes all the difference. Had a box of plate glass 70x130 come in years ago that had been tempered too long, when I scored it then tried to break it, it shattered like a door glass. This is when I learned about the tempering process.
Also, Have you ever seen a windshield with waves in the glass, almost make you sea sick to look too long? This comes from heating the glass bending then cooling quickly.
Please tell me, with all you wisdom, How are windshields made? I have visited many production plants where glass was made from sand into sheets of plate and then curved by a Guess what, heating process that does what tempers the glass. All sheets of glass from plate to mirror to flat laminated to windshields all have a certin amount of "tempering". Don't believe me? try to cut a piece of plate glass that has been tempered too long, I'ts like cutting what glass installers know as a backlite or door lite.It is the amount of tempering that makes all the difference. Had a box of plate glass 70x130 come in years ago that had been tempered too long, when I scored it then tried to break it, it shattered like a door glass. This is when I learned about the tempering process.
Also, Have you ever seen a windshield with waves in the glass, almost make you sea sick to look too long? This comes from heating the glass bending then cooling quickly.
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Anonymous
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I found this on the glasslinks site in the technical section.
All Guardian automotive glass products sold in North America are manufactured in the United States by the same conscientious, dedicated American workers at the same state-of-the-art U.S. facilities to the same exacting standards as the products that Guardian sends to the assembly plants. While it is not true for every OE glass manufacturer, if it came from Guardian, it is absolutely OE quality every time, regardless of what you call it.
GUARDIAN INDUSTRIES CORP. AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTS GROUP
Pay it foward,
Brian
www.safeglasstechnologies.com
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All Guardian automotive glass products sold in North America are manufactured in the United States by the same conscientious, dedicated American workers at the same state-of-the-art U.S. facilities to the same exacting standards as the products that Guardian sends to the assembly plants. While it is not true for every OE glass manufacturer, if it came from Guardian, it is absolutely OE quality every time, regardless of what you call it.
GUARDIAN INDUSTRIES CORP. AUTOMOTIVE PRODUCTS GROUP
Pay it foward,
Brian
www.safeglasstechnologies.com
[email]"info@safeglasstechnologies.com"[/email][/email]
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Anonymous
Re: Guardian
You are absoutley correct, and I am absoutley correct. Funny how that works isn't it. Glass has to be heated to 1100 degrees to bend but heating glass to this temp dosen't temper it it just causes it to bend or become semi liquid. The glass is then left to cool to room temp. The tempering process is to heat the glass to a certain temp and then quench it to a lower temp. I have seen it done on flat glass and the process takes no time at all. I am not the all seeing all knowing master of glass but I have been working with glass since 1962. Just because you heat glass dosen't mean it gets tempered. Its how you heat it and how you cool it that tempers the glass. If I find out any more info on this I will gladly share it with you.
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